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Before we get into the detail of actual events, let us present a hypothetical example for you to consider. Let us say, every morning you go to work. You go to work in the same city, arrive at the same building and into your office. You have done that every day including weekends seven days a week for 8 years. You also pay $295 in rent every month to have that office be there for you each day. You have paid this $295 per month, uninterrupted, month after month, for the eight years to a company who manages your office and owns the building it is in. Then one morning, when you arrive at your work location, it is not just that your office is missing, but the whole building is absolutely gone. Nowhere to be found! Worse yet, not one person knows seems to know where your building is (and there are 70 plus people you speak with)! In fact, no one you speak with, has any recollection of your building ever being there at all. To make matters even worse, when you speak to that company, who you have been paying $295 month after month for eight years, not only do they not know where your office is, but they also have zero recollection as to who you are (despite receiving your $295.00 every month for eight years)?
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| How Verizon/SuperPages web hosting LOST and NEVER FOUND (that is correct) LOST our fairly large e-commerce web site, after almost 8 years of hosting our site on their Verizon web hosting servers in Florida. | |||||
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| The story of a huge mega company, who demonstrated not caring one bit, about their small business customers, despite several hundred phone conversations and e-mails. OR How the lack of professionalism, understanding, customer service, security procedures, can absolutely devastate an e-commerce business who had depended every day on Verizon Web Hosting! | |||||
| A little background 1999 to present | |||||
| In 1999, answering an add from Verizon Web Hosting, RingDesigner.com, Inc. [RDcom for short] created an e-commerce web site. | |||||
| At first RDcom did not realize that Verizon Web Hosting was using an outside third party company to physically house on their servers the actual web sites (server is a fancy name for a PC hooked to the Internet or a network). that was resident on a third party web hosting server (a computer) in Florida. The web hosting server (located in Florida) was maintained by a computer service company named Verio Corporation. Verio Corporation is a worldwide company, known for its expertise in hosting web sites with world class security and back up of customer data. | |||||
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| RDcom web site as of 08/22/06 | |||||
| As of the night of 08/22/06 the RDcom web site: | |||||
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| SEO (Search Engine Optimization) work performed in mid to late 2005, resulted in key phrase Google rankings of: | |||||
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| What was happening at Verio and Verizon unbeknownst to RDcom 2006 prior to August?? | |||||
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| August 23rd, 2006 a day we would like to forget | |||||
| On Wednesday early morning 08/23/06 at 2:00 AM, the RDcom web site
was running perfectly.
Six hours later, the RDcom web site was not functioning, in fact, the RD com web site was absolutely gone from access via the Internet The RDcom web site just was not there! The RDcom web site was not just “off-line”, it had actually 100% disappeared. At that moment here are some of the things occurring: |
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| Irreparable Damage to the RingDesigner Name? | |||||
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| Sent 10/25/06 to Cindy Vincent Better Business Bureau Alaska, Oregon, & Western Washington | |||||
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Cindy, for your use: RingDesigner.com has a hard earned positive history of customer service over the eight years of e-commerce business. That history has had a terrible black eye in recent months. We will provide a link to explain what happened, and how we are working out of it. In eight years we had zero factual BBB complaints. September/October we have had 10. In every case we are working to make the customer whole. For every customer who has had a delayed order, we are committing to a full refund and/or fulfillment of their order. We are also providing additional compensation (a minimum of $500.00) to cover stress, and any interest caused by our problem (not the customer's problem). It is our way of saying we are sorry in more than just words. Due the “crash” which you can read about via a link below, refunds will come in partials until paid in full. Declaring insolvency, would mean the courts decide compensation which could be pennies on the dollar or nothing at all. That is the last thing we want! EVERY, I repeat every, BBB complaint that has been filed, involves orders that would have been shipped between the 23rd and 30th of August. We are also seeking damages from Verizon and SuperPages. If we receive that compensation, the refunds will come significantly sooner. What they did to us, and continue putting us through is ridiculous. We appreciate you giving us the opportunity to make this right. We cannot apologize enough for this situation. Warmest regards, Greg Gates PS: the link is: (Click Here) What happened to RDcom ??? or http://www.ringdesigner.com/What_happened_to_RDcom.htm
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| From Verizon 09/21/06 Nothing since! | |||||
| I am the General Counsel of Verizon's broadband business, so any
further discussion about Ringdesigner.com should be through my
office.
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| 06/26/07 Update | |||||
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The following document is not meant to be an official 100% recap of the Verizon situation. Originally this document was created 12/05/06 to explain the situation of what happened, to the Oregon Attorney General’s office.
Since that time, I have added items, updated items etc to the document.
To tell the story succinctly, the attached should be rewritten
(for example there are redundant passages and facts that need to be
solidified). But for now,
the attached tells this story well enough to have the reader understand
what happened on August 23, 2006 and after, that has financially
devastated a family business and our family.
Our family’s daily struggle was already very difficult, even without what Verizon did to us. My wife Patti has had a 2.5 year fight with Inflammatory Breast Cancer (starting in March 2005 and continues to date). That story can be viewed via these Internet links:
http://www.ringdesigner.com/Pages/Founders.htm#PinkRibbon100953
http://www.ringdesigner.com/Patti/patti-updates.htm
Thank you for taking time to review the attached,
Greg Gates
gregates@comcast.net
(is the best contact e-mail) |
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Summary
Verizon
Online, Verizon Web Hosting and Verizon SuperPages use the following
phrases repeatedly in their advertising:
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We never stop working for you!" and
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"We Know You Around Here"
We had
complete confidence in Verizon Web Hosting.
We would have gladly agreed would have agreed with those
advertising phrases. Since
we depended upon the e-commerce web site for our family’s livelihood, w
could sleep well each night, Knowing our web site was being watched over
and backed up by a world class organization .
But that confidence dissolved
100% abruptly on the morning of August 23rd, 2006.
On that day, Verizon not only
LOST (that is correct
“lost”), but
NEVER FOUND, our large
e-commerce web site www.ringdesigner.com.
[we will use RDcom for short in the rest of this document] Lost
after physically hosting our e-commerce web site on their Verizon web
hosting servers for almost 7 years.
Damages
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The financial damages are continuing to mount.
If Verizon or Verizon/SuperPages would have done as we requested
both verbally and in writing on 08/23/06, we would not be submitting
this document and the damages would have been minimal.
The financial losses and the repercussions suffered by Verizon
and Verizon/SuperPages’ actions (or lack of) has our e-commerce business
on the brink and our family livelihood at risk.
Worse than the damages to our current customers, is the
professional black eye suffered and continuing to be suffered, because
of Verizon and Verizon/SuperPages.
Unfortunately our words fell and continue to fall on deft ears.
It is truly a situation of a David (us) verses a Goliath (Verizon
and Verizon/SuperPages).
They have chosen to sit back and let us financially drown in the
repercussions of a situation they could have easily avoided!
o
At this writing, we have about $250,000 in actual financial damages, not
counting lost potential revenue to date, lost income to date, lost
future revenue and lost income to the family business
o
At this writing, it is hard to measure the actual harm/tarnishing done to
the business name and my personal name, with our customers, with our
potential customers, with the BBB, and with the Oregon Attorney
General’s Office (there are 5 customers we have not been able to refund.
In Oregon if not refunded in 30 days, that is understandably,
against the Oregonian law).
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It took until 10/07/06 to be 100% functional again.
There have been hundreds of hours rebuilding links, restoring functional
e-mail, re-installing secure encryption VeriSign SSL technology for
privacy data, totally rebuilding and reinstalling the inventory and
shopping cart functionality and much much more.
And during all those hours, there was zero opportunity to
savage/communicate to current orders or potential orders.
Background
from the launch of our web site to 082306
In 1999/2000,
answering an add from Verizon Web Hosting, RingDesigner.com, Inc.
created and lunched their e-commerce web site (www.ringdesigner.com). At first, RDcom did not
realize that Verizon Web Hosting, sub contracted to an outside third
party company, to handle daily customer service, as well as to
physically maintain and operate Verizon’s actual “computer server”
hardware. It was at this
third party, located in Florida, where our e-commerce web site had been
physically running and operating from inception up to 08/23/06 (a web
site hosting computer server is a fancy name for a PC with a lot of hard
disk space, hooked up to the Internet with a very fast downloading
connection). Our web
hosting server (located in Florida) was operated and maintained by a
computer service company, Verio Corporation.
In Web Hosting business
circles, Verio Corporation is a highly respected international company,
known for its world class expertise in hosting web sites with total
security and back up of mission critical customer data.
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RDcom paid every month since 2001 $295.00 for uninterrupted web hosting
service to Verizon (Verio doing the work).
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From the launch of the web site for our e-commerce business until the
exact morning of 08/23/06, the RDcom web site ran perfectly on the
Verizon web hosting servers (at Verio in Florida).
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Over the years, we went to bed each night with a feeling of safety,
security because of the advertised daily back up procedures published by
both Verio Corporation and Verizon.
Every day, the RDcom web site (and all the others hosted by
Verizon) were “backed up” to a separate computer hard drive as well as
backed up to a computer tape.
That way if anything ever happened to any web site, there would
always be a complete copy of the web site from the day before on hard
disk (plus a month back or more of the stored backup tapes)
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RingDesigner.com web site and our e-commerce business was even featured
in a VerizonOnline monthly customer publication. |
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What was
happening at Verio and Verizon unknown to RDcom in 2006??
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Unknown to RDcom, Verizon web hosting purchased a company called
“SuperPages” (now called Verizon SuperPages).
SuperPages already was a web site hosting company.
So it made good business sense that Verizon Web Hosting
consolidate all their customer’s
web sites physically with ones maintained by a SuperPages facility.
Why pay outside companies like Verio Corporation, for something,
your newly acquired company SuperPages, can do.
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In 20-20 hindsight we learned, Verizon web hosting began a program to
alert their web site hosted customers of the change moving their web
sites physically to SuperPages.
Allegedly, Verizon Web Hosting customers, were alerted of a
planned systematic “physical
migration” of customer’s data would occur from the Verizon web hosting
servers (at Verio Corporation) over to new SuperPages web hosting
servers (actually located physically in another location).
That allegedly took place over several months prior to 8/23/06.
This Verizon managed migration,
consisted of physically moving the Verizon web Hosting customer web
sites from the Verizon/Verio computers to Verizon/SuperPages computers.
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Allegedly e-mails were sent out to
the Verizon web hosting customers, so they could make the appropriate
Internet changes required from the customer’s end.
·
Unfortunately, NOT ONE
communication (no phone call/e-mail/or letter) was sent to or
received by RDcom regarding the “migration” of the RDcom web site.
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Therefore, no RDcom
administrative, Internet or back up changes were made, or ever
anticipate. Everything was
working well as usual, on the Verizon Web Hosting server, running the
RDcom web site, just like it always had!!
Or at least we thought up until the morning of August 23rd,
2006. Unfortunately,
we were terribly wrong putting our faith in Verizon.
August 23rd,
2006 a day we would like to forget On Wednesday early morning 08/23/06 at 2:00 AM, the RDcom web site was running perfectly. Since this has been a lifelong dream (running our own business), in our year, 16/7/365 is not uncommon. Additionally, we deal with Tel Aviv for diamond purchases. Tel Aviv is 10 hours ahead of our Pacific time. It is not uncommon for me to be up at that late hour Pacific time. So I am personally aware the site was up and functioning perfectly.
Six hours
later, the RDcom web site was not functioning, in fact, the RD com web
site was absolutely gone
from being accessed via the Internet
The RDcom web site just was
not there! The RDcom
web site was not just “off-line”, it had actually 100% disappeared.
At that moment here are some of the physical situations
occurring:
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Any potential customer trying to access the RDcom web site entering
www.ringdesigner.com, would view a white screen on their monitor
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Any potential customer utilizing a search engine like Google, Yahoo or
MSN if they clicked on RDcom link, would view a white screen on their
monitor
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Since the RDcom customer service e-mail is physically maintained on the
same Verizon web hosting server, all RDcom current customers e-mails,
addressed to ANY
e-mail address that ended in “@ringdesigner.com” would bounce back as
“non-deliverable” and does not exist.
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Any e-mails from suppliers of diamonds, suppliers of precious metals,
rings/mountings, advertisers, utilities, banks, insurance companies,
leasing companies etc would ALL bounce back as non-deliverable.
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From RDcom we could not send out ANY e-mail communication to anyone, even
if we wanted to.
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So we did not know who was e-mailing to us nor could we e-mail to anyone
as well.
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Bottom-line, RDcom, as an e-commerce business, appeared on PC monitors,
via the Internet, as 100% dead in the water and completely gone. |
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What we did
immediately
Contact via
phone:
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We began a systematic, number by number calling, of every Verizon Web
Hosting phone contact number we had ever previously used over the years.
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We started with our Verizon Web Hosting contact numbers.
They had an automatic message stating the number was no longer in
service. It had worked the
exact day before for a separate call by us to them.
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Since over the years, we had been made aware that Verizon Web Hosting was
actually subcontracted to Verio corporation, we began calling Verio as
well at the Florida Verio facility where the web hosting severs were
physically located.
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For about four and a half hours, we were bounced around between
31 different Verio,
SuperPages and Verizon employees.
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Speaking with Verio Florida, every conversation on August 23rd, was
extremely unpleasant and adversarial.
In hindsight, we later came to realize that the Verizon web
hosting work migrating out of house, did not make the Florida Verio
folks happy campers. From a
customer’s viewpoint, Verio had flawlessly maintained the Verizon web
hosting web sites for years and years.
On that day 08/23/07, during every phone conversation with
Verio, each time we mentioned either the words “Verizon” or
“SuperPages”, you could almost feel the hair standing up on the back of
their not happy about it Verio necks.
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Calling immediately on the 23rd and then ongoing EVERY DAY for
several weeks, we were routed in a chain of phone communication events
that no reasonable management person would ever find acceptable.
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Bottom-line, on 08/23/06, Verizon/Verizon SuperPages
had no record of us as a
customer, despite our e-commerce web site being housed on their
web physical hosting servers since our launch in 1999/2000, plus doing
business every day since our launch .
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And by the end of a second day of 6 hour on the line calling, Verizon web
hosting and SuperPages said there was NOTHING they could do for us.
·
By the way, in our phone conversations the first day, on the 23rd
, with Verizon web hosting and SuperPages contacts, each person stated
there was “nothing they could do for us”.
Worst yet, they 100% refused or said they could not raise our
problem up to their management.
In fact after refusing to do so, when I then asked a “Carol” of
SuperPages for her last name, she hung up on me.
I hope Verizon can find recorded conversations.
From minute one, due to my experience in managing call centers, I
took for granted that 100% of all my conversations were recorded.
Therefore, I was conscious of my tone and language even as
frustrated and angry as I was getting,
I may have been forceful, but never crossed the line.
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Initially, we thought (and
told Verizon and Verizon SuperPages repeatedly), our web site data might
still be on the actual PC web hosting server where it had up to 082306.
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We asked repeatedly, if our web site data was still physically housed on
that actual PC server, why couldn’t someone go check?
We were told the servers were packed securely in boxes, as per
Verizon’s contractual instructions to do so once taken off line, and the
boxed up web site hosting servers, were physically being transported by
truck to the new Verizon SuperPages location.
· We asked, “couldn’t someone check when the boxes arrive at the new Verizon SuperPages location?” No one ever answered.
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Contact in
writing:
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Starting 082306, and continuing for a period of about a month,
we sent out “shotgun” mass group
e-mails to every and any Verizon, SuperPages and Verio perceived
significant management e-mail address we could find on the Internet.
Verizon has 100% of all those e-mails.
We sent our mass e-mails “pleading” for help to any and every
CEO, COO, Legal contact, media contact, public relations contact (and
more) that we could find. Since
we could not get help from the almost 100 first and second level
contacts/techs, we figured if we could many find just one soul at a
senior level, we might be able to find someone willing to help us.
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We got absolutely zero help from all levels of Verizon/SuperPages (even
to date).
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After hiring a council in November 2006, he even tried to contact the
General Council of Verizon Online with no success.
Our lawyer found out, like us, he is a small fish in the Verizon
perceived ocean of concern.
The General Counsel mentioned above was:
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Thomas M. Dailey, General Counsel
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From the mass e-mails over the next four weeks, came our first ray of
hope. Surprisingly we
received help from a source, that had absolutely no incentive to
assist us.
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The COO of Verio who had been added to the mass e-mail list, unbeknownst
to us, had his Florida faculty personnel begin a systematic search of
old backup tapes scheduled to be erased/destroyed.
They searched for any reminisce of our web site data,
before permanently erasing all those backup tapes.
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Remember, Verizon had pulled all this work from his company (Verio).
It should have been Verizon and Verizon SuperPages searching for
our web site data. Verio, to
their credit, seemed to care for a customer in trouble, even if it was
no longer their customer. While
to Verizon, you are just a number paying for service every month for
years.
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Recap
The result of
Verizon’s lack of effort has cost us greatly negatively both financially
and negatively to our reputation.
In e-commerce you cannot have a negative reputation dealing on
the Internet.
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Bottom-line, on 08/23/06, Verizon/Verizon SuperPages
had no record of us as a
customer, despite our e-commerce web site being housed on their
web physical hosting servers since our launch in 1999/2000, plus doing
business every day since our launch .
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(added/revised 06/17/07) Verizon had been taking
$295.00 EVERY month out of our bank accounts, like clockwork,
since the launching of our e-commerce web site 1999/2000.
The $295 was deducted month after month after month, right up
until (get ready for this) April
2007, when we finally financially had to say stop!
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We actually wanted to not say stop, just to see how long VerizonOnline
would keep taking our monthly $295 (while saying we were never a
customer). Our
personal guess, monthly, VerizonOnline would have taken our $295 out of
our bank account forever.
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Due to our growing family financial distress resulting from
VerizonOnline, the automatically being deducted amount of $295.00 per
month, is critically required for the support of our family!
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In April 2007, we contacted Wells Fargo Bank.
We communicated to Wells Fargo, the $295 monthly charge was not
valid. We would like the
VerizonOnline changes reversed from 08/23/06 to present.
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Wells Fargo Bank transacted a credit card “charge back” of
$1,180.00 against
VerizonOnline. The amount of
monthly $295 deductions, from 08/23/06 to April 2007, totals more than
$1,180.00. Federal
regulations allow disputed credit card transactions recoverable for ONLY
90 or 120 days back. So
$1,180.00 was the most we could hope to recover as of April 2007.
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RDcom numbers
and facts
(Added 05/17/07)
As of 08/22/06 the RDcom web site
and business:
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From 08/23/06 to
06/12/07 the RDcom web site and
business:
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Communication from VerizonOnline Termination of Internet Services for
Nonpayment (061007)
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